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07/26/2014 at 23:36 • Filed to: diesel tdi
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07/26/2014 at 23:36 • Filed to: diesel tdi | 0
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Quote from Kia's U.S. VP of Product Planning:
The problem right now is that there are different emissions standards in Europe and the US, which means we would be faced with different after-treatments, and that makes it very expensive… But with EU6 in 2017-18 there would be the same standards in both Europe and the US, and that gives us a better chance.
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This link compares the Euro emission standards with that of the EPA (I really can't interpret the data to compare. Someone able to summarize/TL;DR?):
http://transportpolicy.net/index.php?titl…
(For simplicity's sake, I'm calling our "gasoline" by its proper name, petrol)
In the US, the EPA has diesel fuel following the same emission standards as petrol for passenger cars. In Europe, there are different emission standards for diesel and petrol. Diesel, at least how I understand it, gets more leniency in Europe when it comes to particulates. The US has stricter NOx particulates tailpipe emission requirements, which is why many of our diesels have a urea-injection tank somewhere in the exhaust system and why we don't get many diesels compared to other countries.
However, with the upcoming Euro6 emission standards, that's about to change. Europe's diesel particulate requirements are SUPPOSEDLY about match up with the U.S.'s, come 2017-2018 as Euro6 gets phased in. Cars that comply with Euro6 are also sold all over the developed world. Except for the US and Canada, of course - we have different standards. So that means potentially diesel Hyundais, Mazdas, and Kias coming in. Not to mention all the European brands/models in North America that can add many more diesels(wait, brown diesel VOLVO V60 wagon? Holy shit).
But here's the thing that confuses me. The U.S. is currently at EPA Tier 2 standards and we're being told that Euro6 will match up to it? The EPA Tier 3 is supposed to be phased in around 2016 (according to the site I linked above), which is around the same time Euro6 will be phased in. I just can't interpret the data to compare, but will they still be similar then? Will the flood gates open and we'll be seeing diesel cars left and right?
Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy
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07/27/2014 at 00:29 |
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Hope they make their diesels good. The VAG TDI engine is hard to beat imo. I don't want mass runaways, like lower-end French cars do.
HammerheadFistpunch
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08/13/2014 at 13:29 |
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Euro standards and US standards are getting closer spiritually, but not in technicality.
DipodomysDeserti
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08/13/2014 at 13:39 |
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The problem is going to be the quality of diesel fuel in the US. Our diesel here is crap, and has caused issues with some of the high end sporty diesels that have been brought over.
DoYouEvenShift
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08/13/2014 at 13:40 |
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Im all for diesels, the Cruze diesel is very nice. However, with diesel fuel being significantly more expensive than gas. The gains to be had in savings are lost. So people just buy the gas models.
Cé hé sin
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08/13/2014 at 14:10 |
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I tried once to compare US and EU emissions standards and it was rather too much for my poor brain to process. As far as I can understand the Americans have a choice of I think 16 standards to meet and the average of this is stricter than EU6 in terms of nitrogen oxides but more lenient in terms of CO and particulates.
In short we're getting closer but the dream of mutually recognised standards is a long way off particularly in the current political climate in the US which is opposed to anything in the way of free trade which recognising each other's standards would be construed as. In short the American are only interested in having everyone else follow them.
Same applies to safety requirements.